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AbeMKVIII
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"kenne bell sc question"
 
   I was wondering if anyone has installed a kennebell blower on their mkviii. Would it clear the hood? and are the brackets the same as a mustang cobras? I was going to get the kit for a mustang cobra.

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  RE: kenne bell sc question crashteam Aug-20-02 1
     RE: kenne bell sc question ckon Aug-20-02 2
         RE: kenne bell sc question Nightsky 93 VIIImoderator Aug-20-02 3
             RE: kenne bell sc question Dennismoderator Aug-20-02 4
                 RE: kenne bell sc question a Bill Aug-20-02 5
                     RE: kenne bell sc question sleeperteam Aug-20-02 6
                         RE: kenne bell sc question ckon Aug-20-02 7
                             RE: kenne bell sc question bigscott Aug-21-02 8
                                         RE: kenne bell sc question AbeMKVIII Aug-21-02 11
                                             RE: Re: bigscott Aug-21-02 16
                                             RE: ONEBADMK8team Aug-22-02 24
                                             RE: bigscott Aug-22-02 27
                                             RE: DOHC MARK VIIIteam Aug-22-02 28
                                             RE: robman2 Aug-23-02 29
                                             RE: Re: logres Aug-26-02 35
                                             Do you remember the Night Rider? bigscott Aug-26-02 36
  RE: kenne bell sc question Stproteam Aug-23-02 30
     RE: kenne bell sc question Dennismoderator Aug-23-02 31
         RE: kenne bell sc question AbeMKVIII Aug-23-02 32
             RE: kenne bell sc question unstoppable Aug-24-02 33
                 RE: kenne bell sc question ONEBADMK8team Aug-24-02 34

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crashteam
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1. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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Some people have looked into it. It is the same kit used on 96-98 cobras. No, it will not fit under the hood. Kenne-Bell has no tech support.

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ckon
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2. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   I wish someone would try it though with a custom hood or something.
That unit is exactly what this car needs.


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3. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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A few people have this in the planning stages... I'll let them speak up themselves if they want it know who they are...


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4. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   The KB will make less power than the Vortech it generates a ton of heat the Vortech clears the hood call me any time I am here to help


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5. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   Why would the KB generate more heat than the Vortech? They both need to compress the same amount of air. I think the KB would start compressing sooner, maybe that would make it seem the KB gets hotter?

Just curious.


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6. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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what is the 'kenne belle' supercharger? I mean, is it a roots, screw type, or centrifugal supercharger?

Judging by the "it won't fit under the hood" comments, i'm assuming it is a roots blower. Roots style superchargers are less efficient by design, and won't put out the same kind of horsepower, but down low, watch out. Those things are for torque. They just force a given volume of air through, and the pressure increases in the intake manifold. The pressure doesn't increase in the actual supercharger, as it would in a centrifugal type supercharger. That means that since the pressure on the output side is higher than on the input side, the air is going to try to force itself back out. Hence, lower efficiency, esp. since it doesn't seal. But it's great for torque.


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7. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   They are a dual screw design which is quite a bit more efficient than a roots blower but not as efficient as a centrifugal. The torque is exactly what I was talking about when I said it would be great for these heavy cars. If your talking track numbers a centrifugal is the way to go, but if your talking about fun on the street, I think the Kenne-Bell wins hands down. The boost comes on immediately instead of having to rev way up.

Chris

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Aug-21-02, 09:39 AM (EDT)
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8. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   A friend and I went to the Panoz factory to see what was cooking and I noticed this roadster with a KB unit on top.

I would have taken more pics of it but I was too busy drooling over the race cars and all the 4V crate motors they had laying around.

The hood issue can always be delt with by using the proper tools.


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11. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   I didnt know panoz used a cobra motor with a blower.
OK...what if i got a cowl hood? It should fit then. But dos anyone mak one?

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Aug-21-02, 12:20 PM (EDT)
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16. "RE: Re:"
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   I think Fugly would have been a better description but to each his own. Do you think I like the fact that I have a blower sticking out of my hood? At this point in time I have no choice in the matter. A custom Cougar hood with the clearance I need is hard to find so I have to explore other options.

On the Rice thing: I could care less if my car makes it on a "I hate rice" site. The motor and suspension setup is very trick and that is what matters most to me. The way I see it if you want to throw a fart pipe on your car and some cheap laserjet printed flame gay-jizz go right ahead. I don't hate others for what they think looks cool. I do find it amusing and wonder what the hell are they thinking but then again I have a set of LED's that tell me what gear I'm in and weather or not the TC is locked so who am I to judge others. Christ, I even have side blinky lights!


Now what was this guy thinking! A fake blower and a bumper off a Ford van?

-Scott

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24. "RE: "
In response to message #16
 
   LAST EDITED ON Aug-22-02 AT 10:17 AM (EDT)

Ed, very well said once again.

Scott the setup looks killer.

Why have the alternator on top?
On my SuperMark Ford relocated the alternator where the ac compressor was and the ac to the drivers side and knocked the ps pump above that, which actually looks fairly easy to do.

Plus the alternator actually fits perfectly where the ac used to be, the spread of the holes is a prefect fit for the front two bosses.

Plus does the cog set-up work well? It looks loose in the pic?

You should polish the housing if its staying in that location.

Heres a better shot of all the locations.

It just makes for a clean looking top end imho.

Talk about getting looks Scott, when I blow by someone under boost without my hood they almost crash trying to look!! LMAO!!

Looks great keep up the god work.


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Aug-22-02, 10:34 AM (EDT)
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27. "RE: "
In response to message #24
 
   "Why the use of
>the cog for the alternator.
>On my SuperMark Ford relocated
>the alternator where the ac
>compressor was and the ac
>to the drivers side and
>knocked the ps pump above
>that, which actually looks fairly
>easy to do.

I wish it was that easy! The FEAD setup and MN12 K-member would not allow that type of setup. I really like the way it came out and one of the benefits in a Gilmore belt setup is it actually should be a little loose. Thanks for the tip on the polishing of the Alt, The case is customized for fitment so it will have to be swapped over if the insides take a crap. I am still doing other "stuff" that weighs heavier in the priorities dept but I will address that issue in time.

We seem to have a bunch of very fast Impala SS's down here so that's really what I'm going for at the shootout. My car is built for the turns so I think a little too tight for the track but I will try my best.

Ponyfreak, I have to agree the laser jet comment was funny.


Sorry if I started a flame war I was just trying to defend my ricer.

-Scott

This was the first try before I had the thinner style Alt so I think phase II is a keeper...



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28. "RE: "
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Gee, now I wondering what I said that was so "mean" to get my previous post deleted?

Hey this won't count against me it the total posts score will it? Are only certain people able to post and look like idiots or can any of us join in? Maybe I should have mentioned racing in Florida instead of NJ? I don't know? I just get tired of seeing some of our vendors drug into flame wars they didn't start, both Dennis and Geno .


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29. "RE: "
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   Darn Dennis,

I am now thinking of going back to a Vortech again....

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35. "RE: Re:"
In response to message #16
 
   >I think Fugly would have been a better description but to
>each his own. Do you think I like the fact that I have a
>blower sticking out of my hood? At this point in time I have
>no choice in the matter. A custom Cougar hood with the
>clearance I need is hard to find so I have to explore other
>options.
>
>On the Rice thing: I could care less if my car makes it on a
>"I hate rice" site. The motor and suspension setup is very
>trick and that is what matters most to me. The way I see it
>if you want to throw a fart pipe on your car and some cheap
>laserjet printed flame gay-jizz go right ahead. I don't hate
>others for what they think looks cool. I do find it amusing
>and wonder what the hell are they thinking but then again I
>have a set of LED's that tell me what gear I'm in and
>weather or not the TC is locked so who am I to judge others.
>Christ, I even have side blinky lights!
>
>
>Now what was this guy thinking! A fake blower and a bumper
>off a Ford van?
>
>-Scott
>
>Ugly?
Isn't that Mad Max's car?

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36. "Do you remember the Night Rider?"
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   Yup, that's his ride. The blower was hollow and they used a bumper off a Aussie Ford van for the front spoiler. The Vortech kit is the easy way to go and really packs a punch at high RPM's.

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30. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   Just go and buy the Kenny Bell unit and Send it to me and I will take off my Vortech and test the Kb unit for you. I will post the difference after a fair test period then I will return it to you. I have 67K on the vortech 50K on the KB would be a fair test.
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31. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-23-02 AT 05:47 PM (EDT)

Well Kenny Bell is good for insatnt boost, I put one on a 98 Cobra and it spools up imiedatly, but it generates a ton of heat and you can't run a inner cooler with most models, if a Vortech is configured right, it is a awsome setup and with a air to air its even Better.

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32. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   Alright...if i decide to go vorteh instead,Would the cobra kit bolt right on? or do i have to get pipes custom bent. And are the brackets all the same? I still want to get the kenne bell but dos anyone make a cowl hood for it?

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33. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   You have to get a custom hood made.Most good body guys can do it for you.
As for the blower.The brackets are the same but there is some custom stufff you have to do to get everything to work.

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So let me get this straight.Your engine is 1.8 liters,and my Pepsi is 2.


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34. "RE: kenne bell sc question"
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   Abe Chris said it all.

Give him a call at our Vegas shop for any questions you may have.

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