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Mycophilesteam
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"Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
 
Before this happened I had had my sound system a little louder then normal and the AC on max. That's the only thing out of the ordinary I was doing.

Got in my car 15 minutes after parking and the battery light comes on when I hit the gas and the 'check charging system' message come on the display. Then the air bag light keeps blinking. Does that mean that my alternator is bad?

What... do what?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ teteam Jun-20-03 1
     RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Mycophilesteam Jun-20-03 2
         RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Mycophilesteam Jun-20-03 3
             RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ ekooke Jun-20-03 4
                 RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Avu3team Jun-21-03 5
                     RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Mycophilesteam Jun-21-03 6
                         RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ ekooke Jun-21-03 7
             RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ drillerteam Jun-21-03 8
                 RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Mycophilesteam Jun-21-03 9
                     RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ ekooke Jun-21-03 10
                         RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ drillerteam Jun-21-03 11
                             RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ ekooke Jun-21-03 12
                                 RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ drillerteam Jun-21-03 13
                                     RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ ekooke Jun-21-03 14
                                         RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Mycophilesteam Jun-22-03 15
                                             RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ Mycophilesteam Jun-22-03 16
                                             RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ drillerteam Jun-22-03 17
                                             RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~ ekooke Jun-22-03 18

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teteam
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Jun-20-03, 05:58 PM (EDT)
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1. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   Its not a battery light.

Its the "dead alternator" light.

Get a good one, and probably a new battery too.

te
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Mine went at 99.5k miles


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Mycophilesteam
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2. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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How hard is it to replace an alternator? Could I do it in a couple hours?

Where can I find a 'good' alternator? Preferably a 130w one but I still don't know if they fit in our marks.

Has anyone ever heard of people who have Soundsystems in their car frying their alternator? Looks like I'll need one anyhow.

I'm prob going to go to Orielly's and get one read quick b/c I cant go a week without my car.

What... do what?


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Mycophilesteam
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Jun-20-03, 08:54 PM (EDT)
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3. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-03 AT 08:56 PM (EDT)
 
The alternator is 120v so it's been replaced before. I bought a new one (120v) and it was 305$ without the core and 179$ with a core.

Before replacing the alt. I did a voltage test on the battery and while the car was running it was 11.5v and with it not running it was 12v. This means the alternator was working properly. I checked the battery connectors and tightened them down A LOT. The batt light doesnt come on when I run the car at 3000rpm's for 20 sec. so I think that did it. The light did blink a couple times a couple sec's after I turned the car on but that might be because of the amp's.

What... do what?


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ekooke
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4. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   >The alternator is 120v so it's been replaced before. I
>bought a new one (120v) and it was 305$ without the core and
>179$ with a core.
>
>Before replacing the alt. I did a voltage test on the
>battery and while the car was running it was 11.5v and with
>it not running it was 12v. This means the alternator was
>working properly. I checked the battery connectors and
>tightened them down A LOT. The batt light doesnt come on
>when I run the car at 3000rpm's for 20 sec. so I think that
>did it. The light did blink a couple times a couple sec's
>after I turned the car on but that might be because of the
>amp's.

"Normal" battery reading voltage, with all accessories off, would be:
Ignition off = 12.5~12.8V
Running (fast idle) = >13.5V, <16.0V

What are you reading with your new alternator?


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5. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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I hope you bought the alternator from ford or a ford seller, otherwise, it will fail on you....

I went through 4 remans before I fit a cobra one. So far so good, but this one has already beat the total life of two of the previous 4....

Scott


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Mycophilesteam
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6. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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Light is still on and windows are very slow to roll up so It has to be the alternator.

The alternator I got was from Hi-Low with a warrenty so If it goes in a year or so I'll take it back. I don't have time to go ordering an alternator from ford. Hmm maybe you mean go to the dealership? Would not the alternator be more expensive?

I havent put on the new alternator yet so I don't know what it reads.
I'll have to wait untill tomarrow.

What... do what?


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ekooke
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Jun-21-03, 09:46 AM (EDT)
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7. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   Mycophiles,
Put an external charger on your battery to bring it up to full charge AND to make certain that it will take a charge BEFORE you install the new alternator. A weak (or defective) battery can take out a new alternator pretty quick.


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drillerteam
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8. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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>...I checked the battery connectors and
>tightened them down A LOT.

Get rid of them cheap OEM battery terminals!

Loose connections will cause the alternator to overwork trying to maintain the voltage level.

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Mycophilesteam
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9. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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The new alternator is 200 bucks and that's a huge amount for me. I'll go to any length to keep from having to pay for that new alternator even if it requires a new battery. I'm afraid the battery is shot but there are some extenuating circumstances so It seems. I have just put on a 2nd amp. making a total of two amps running off the alt + batt. and it was when I turned the power of the radio a little higher (2 notches) than normal that this began to happen. It was fine untill I parked and then after coming back out and starting it up did the battery light come on. Is there no other electrical setting that I need to check? Am I just looking at the alt. and batt here?

I don't have a charger for the battery. I only have a very small battery charger for charging batteries overnight. Could I hook it up to a seperate battery from another car and check this?

What... do what?


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ekooke
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10. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   If the red light comes on, it (usually) means the alternator isn't keeping up with the current draw, so there's not enough left over to keep the battery charged. Do as Driller recommends, and change the chintzy factory battery terminals for something reliable; I put offset post marine terminals on mine, for $4/pair. Put your mini-charger on overnight to help bring the battery back up, checking the water level (electrolyte) in the battery first. Invest in a voltmeter, either in-dash or handheld (or both), and stop guessing.


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drillerteam
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11. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-03 AT 08:37 PM (EDT)
 
Voltmeter? Did somebody say voltmeter?

SVOLTG2: Improved voltage gauge monitors system voltage instantly. Ideal for monitoring primary or secondary batteries. Range from 8-18 volts, over/under voltage warning. 8 - 18VDC

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If the rest of their product line is like their battery terminals, this stuff is tops. I can only imagine the cost of their alternators though. BTW, they also have killer deep-cycle batteries.

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ekooke
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12. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   Driller, you don't have to go nuts on the voltmeter either; one of those 6-LED ones you plug into the cigarette lighter would tell you way more about the battery/alternator condition than the non-instruments Ford thought a $40,000 car should have.


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drillerteam
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13. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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Yeah, and to think they had everything they needed instrumentation wise right there at the message center. Wouldn't it be neat to have a digital voltage readout function on the message center? Water temp? Oil pressure? Tranny temp?

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ekooke
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Jun-21-03, 11:44 PM (EDT)
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14. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   Well, we've got water temp, but oil pressure is only "known" to be >7 lbs., if the red light isn't on. That's just sad!


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Mycophilesteam
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15. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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I am using a voltmeter. How do you think I knew the volts?

I have a clogged cat. Does anyone thing that the cat could be causing the problem?

What... do what?


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Mycophilesteam
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16. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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Where is the voltage regulator found on our car? Since this happened right after I turned my volume (newly installed amp about 2 weeks ago) higher than what I previously considered the highest setting I'm thinking maybe I burnt out a fuse somewhere.

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drillerteam
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17. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-03 AT 09:35 AM (EDT)
 
The voltage regulator is internal of the alternator. From a previous thread...

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Testing your charging system quickly with a digital voltmeter (assuming charged battery):

1. Test battery voltage with engine off. Check at battery terminals at clean terminal or clamp, not the bolt or nut. Record voltage. This is your battery's standing voltage.

2. Start engine & run at 1500 RPM. With no other load (doors closed? Underhood light off? Auto headlights off?) - record voltage. Voltage should be higher but not by more than 2 volts. This is your charging voltage without load.

3. Turn on heater or AC to MAX along with turning on highbeam headlamps. Increase RPMs to 2000 RPM. Voltage should be a minimum of 0.5 volts above your standing battery voltage. This is your charging voltage with load.

My numbers were 13.30, 14.01 and 13.85 when I replaced my alternator the last go around. Still going and going and ...
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In your case I would add turning on stereo(max) to step 3 and see what the voltage level is.

Besides the alternator and battery, bad grounds and battery terminals are major causes for charging system problems. Loose and otherwise inefficient connections will cause the charging system to work harder, unnoticed, 'till either the alternator, internal regulator or battery have finally been taxed out.

If you get a 'Check Charging System' warning, and think you fixed it by tightening up a battery terminal - be wary... the charging system has been working doubletime for an undetermined amount of time to compensate for this. It would not be suprising to replace a major component in a short period of time following.

Did you know?
From the manual - the 'Check Charging System' warning will only be displayed when the voltage is between 8 and 9 volts or 18 to 21 volts. Below 8 volts or over 21 volts there will be no display. Normal(as far as the message center is concerned) is considered to be between 9 volts and 18 volts! Let me tell you something, the charging system is far from normal long before it gets down to 9 volts and way before it gets up to 18 volts. Rounding to whole numbers, 12 volts to 15 volts is normal, under 12 or over 15 is definitely trouble.

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ekooke
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18. "RE: Check Charging System message ~~Help~~"
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   Driller wrote, "Rounding to whole numbers, 12 volts to 15 volts is normal, under 12 or over 15 is definitely trouble."

I agree with those numbers, even though a "normal" system can go slightly outside that scale momentarily. Ford really did screw us up with that extreme "normal" range built into the system diagnostics. As you said earlier, why didn't they just show owners what the actual voltage reading was on the MC? It's not as if it would have cost them anything much, since the digital readouts and connections were already there. They also could have done true oil pressure for the cost of a real sending unit, in addition to the 7-PSI idiot light switch.


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