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LeoC2team
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"Interesting and scary article"
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-03 AT 04:28 PM (EDT)
 
Sandy will love this one:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html

edit: OK it's fixed now


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Interesting and scary article jayelloteam Feb-21-03 1
  RE: Interesting and scary article M Darrahteam Feb-21-03 2
     RE: Interesting and scary article kev415team Feb-21-03 3
         RE: Interesting and scary article Trixieteam Feb-21-03 4
             RE: Interesting and scary article dsinclairteam Feb-21-03 5
             RE: Interesting and scary article SandyBoyteam Feb-21-03 6
                 RE: Interesting and scary article Danoz93team Feb-21-03 7
                     RE: Interesting and scary article SandyBoyteam Feb-21-03 8
                 RE: Interesting and scary article TCB4EPteam Feb-22-03 9
                     RE: Interesting and scary article SandyBoyteam Feb-22-03 10
                         RE: Interesting and scary article arthurb30team Feb-22-03 11

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jayelloteam
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1. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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M Darrahteam
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2. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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   Great article so far and I'm only half way through it. Best line so far:

"Buyers are liars."

Really makes you wonder if these guys are even on the same planet.

Mark
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kev415team
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Feb-21-03, 08:14 PM (EDT)
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   wow. i just spent about an hour reading that, rereading interesting parts and breaking down sales "deals." The sequel needs to be on USED car sales. I think that would just be plain out hillarious!



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4. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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That was quite entertaining. However, I've noticed lately that there are fewer salesman rushing the "ups" than there used to be. Or I must be one of those undesireable customers.

Sharon Lester
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dsinclairteam
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Feb-21-03, 08:59 PM (EDT)
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5. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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I wrote the author of the piece tonight - Chandler Phillips. I realize it's a year old - but I invited him to read this thread and possibly post additional thoughts.

Hope he does. It was a GREAT story!!!!

Thanks Leo!


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SandyBoyteam
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Feb-21-03, 09:15 PM (EDT)
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6. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-03 AT 09:36 PM (EDT)
 
I read it up to #7, when I got tired of it. To me, it was like reading how to eat. The first dealership was a "Systems House" also known in the East as a Whole Dobbs House. The 2nd dealer, I think was a Saturn Store, and known as a ring job (Rings around Saturn.) Car salesman have an entire language of their own. We can speak an entire long paragraph that utterly nobody would understand.

One thing is certain, absolute, and that is we all see to it that our kids study like mad, hit the books like a religion, work when others play, get the best education on earth, go to University and repeat the work ethic allready learned, are driven to achieve (Dean's List) Honor society, etc, etc, graduate and go to graduate school and earn a Master's Degree at the very least, better yet a PHD. if possible. All this, so that they never ever have to say....."What will it take to put you in this car, TODAY?" Every car salesman I know has the most accomplished kids on earth! I think we realize more than anyone the value of a real good education. My own son's grades first semester were 5 "A"s and a C+ & he made Dean's List. He KNOWS that if he gets more than a single "C" that the Jeep comes home!

One car salesman I know has a son who graduated 5th in class in Harvard. Is now in Albert Einstein Med. School, another has 4 kids: 1 a Lawyer another a dermatoligist, the 3rd a financial planner with M.L. and the 4th - his daughter is a GYN at NYU Medical Center in NYC.
The guy I buy my Lincolns from at Maplecrest Son is head of Security Nationwide for a "Big 3" Retailer while his daughter is an attorney in Manhattan. My best friend's son is a professor at a university in Zoology. These just by way of example. Matt wants to be a C.P.A. with a big corportaion and eventually head up their Finance Department. I actually believe he will do it.

Car salesman are savers. They see how broke the rest of the world is by taking all those credit apps, and most are savers, and very tight with the buck. Many have 2nd mortgages on their house, so that their kid can go to private school. ALL car salesmen's wives work!! 100% of them.
Any job dealing with the public is a B##itch! Having an open door and a place where one does NOT have to make a purchase is unique and especially hard. Working 55 hours a week - back-to-back 12 hour days is a grind, also. So, we want our kids to excell.

The guy who wrote that did NOT excell because it was not his REAL job. He was role playing. I think in the real world he would have been pretty good. He was an outsider looking in, so to speak.

Added: At present my income is generated thru my new found advocation and that is as an automotive journalist. I have penned 100's of articles for many car magazines & newspapers. Edmunds is a publication. So I too have had a taste of both sides (I guess why Leo said that I'd Love this article.....) There is absolutly no comparsion as to which job is harder !!!! Selling cars is 75 to 90 percent harder than journalism.....I am at a disadvantage as I am a lousey speller, so I use a professional proof reader who puts everything on computer for me since I have little computer knowledge. But I work when I want to, obvioiusly with the amount of time I spend on LOD!! If I was "on the floor" at a dealer I would NEVER be on the computer. Heck we didn't get to read the morning paper until 10PM at night. (and) I make MORE $$$ now than I did selling! So, publications, writing, etc, nets a bigger income, for less hours which equals less work.

S A N D Y
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Danoz93team
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Feb-21-03, 10:31 PM (EDT)
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7. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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   " It's got a 170-horsepower V6 with four valves per cylinder and blah, blah, blah.' See, it doesn't really matter what you say — most people don't even know what the hell you're talking about"

that is really sad... i have come across far to many salesmen who dont know what the hell a DOHC is besides "its the kind of engine that it has"

oh well, supid salemen sell cars to stupid customers and the world keeps spinning 'round...


Dan O
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Feb-21-03, 10:51 PM (EDT)
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D O H C

Dual Oxygen Hydroginated Clutch, when engaged causes the pivotal movement of the gearing theyby reducing the fuel consumption to the combustion chamber and recycling exhaust vapors thru the cooling system producing MORE horsepower and less fuel usage obtaining more bang for your buck.

I promise you 8 out of 10 buyers will believe you! The other two don't care anyhow. PRICE PRICE PRICE PRICE HOW MUCH A MONTH??

S A N D Y
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9. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-22-03 AT 01:34 AM (EDT)
 
All this, so that they never ever have to say....."What will
it take to put you in this car, TODAY?"

Hehe...within the last 3 days, I have received 4 phone calls from the Jaguar dealer I went to last week. One from the salesman, one from the sales manager, and one from the general manager (owner, possibly?). I told them to give me $10,000 for my car, and I'd drive off the lot in an X-Type.


He KNOWS that if he gets more than a single "C" that the Jeep comes home!

If he's lucky, it will likely be around the same time you're taking Jeepers for a few weeks so it all washes out.


Any job dealing with the public is a B##itch!

Tell me about it, Sandy!! The bowling business sucks, if you're at the counter. As a manager, you deal with problems, but otherwise, everyone else deals with the public.

Scott

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SandyBoyteam
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10. "RE: Interesting and scary article"
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Many people who are not "in Business" but are rather employees, rather than business owners have no clue what it takes to make owning a business worthwhile return on investment. They are not dumb people, not at all. They just lack any idea of how much money it takes to run a business.

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"I told them to give me $10,000 for my car, and I'd drive off the lot in an X-Type."

Scott: that is the last thing you want to tell a new car salesman. He has you where he wants you then. He can massage the numbers any way he wants. It's the difference that counts, not the 'trade-in value'.

Art Brown

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