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93lincMon Jan-10-05 08:54 PM
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"5speed swap update."


          

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There you go guys. I had a hell of a time getting the new pics for ya, but it's cool. I have to go pick up the engine block from the machine shop soon, so Ill have the short block done with in the next few weeks.

After that I have to finish porting the heads, and then have them sent off to be cut for larger valves. Other than that....new Carpet, and seat leathers is about all I have to do, that and obvious stuff you see in the pics.

  

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coldasiceMon Jan-10-05 09:14 PM
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#1. "RE: 5speed swap update."
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Very nice swap. The engine looks great coated like that... how much did it run you to do that? Are you planning to take it to the track after it's done?

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seanklscMon Jan-10-05 09:15 PM
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So, you could be the first to do this, ever. Maybe second.

I have a few questions. Do you have a list of supplies you used? How much did the setup cost? Did you drive the hell out of it yet? What was it like? Would you do it again if you could?

Got any better pics of the clutch?

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Mark of DistinctionMon Jan-10-05 11:20 PM
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I'm 52 and "Awesome" is not part of my normal vocabulary. But all I can say is that it is an AWESOME piece of work.

I've been breaking my brain to try and figure out where anyone could shove a clutch master cylinder into the Mark. Thank you for taking the pictures and sharing.

I would be interested in hearing how a big car like the Mark moves around town with a stick shift instead of auto.


Such as: Is it cumbersome to drive?

I doubt that I would ever go to the trouble and expense to do this switch, but one thing I miss about driving my beater Honda is shifting gears.



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97MarkVIIILincolnTue Jan-11-05 12:11 AM
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That swap is awesome. I also love the powdercoating on the intake. How did you find them locally?


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93lincTue Jan-11-05 12:30 AM
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No, the car is not hard to drive.....Infact it feels ALOT lighter on it's feet that it did with the auto. I ran to michigan last weekend, had 4 people and a fully loaded trunk. The car preformed Flawlessly, I averaged 75 MPH for the whole trip.....which is 90-95 out on the interstate, and got 18 MPG. In town I had no problem driving in stop and go traffic.



The manual is alot more fun to do donuts in the snow too.

  

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bobotechTue Jan-11-05 11:56 AM
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That is such an awesome job you did.

Man, if you could package the swap into a 500-1000 dollar kit (+tranny), i think a LOT of us would jump on it.

Nice nice job, the engine and the swap.

It looks so "funny" seeing the huge shifter ball in a mark viii.

So....ummm... have you done a jmod to your car yet? <snicker>

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93lincTue Jan-11-05 12:30 PM
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Tue Jan-11-05 12:44 PM by 93linc

          

Yea....that shifter ball is actually a regulation size cue ball. I drilled and tapped it to fit the stick. Fits in the hand very nicely.



As for the "Kit"


I did'nt really have to spend as much as I did. I replaced the engine, and did a bunch of powdercoating which jacked up the inital price alot. Here is what I have so far.


Clutch Pedal $35
Master cylinder $70
T/O bearing $380
MMDS $510.95
M/C adapter $75
Wiring harness ~$130 Thats including all of the experimentation.
Clutch/flywheel $400


I paid $250 for my tranny, it's used with 60,000 miles. I only went this route because I knew I would be pulling it for the T-56 anyway. A new t-45 will cost around 1200. If your wanting to do/have this done, I reccomend buying parts as you can afford them. then just build up your stuff and go to town.

  

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BlackIceLSCTue Jan-11-05 03:14 PM
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I'm curious about a few things:
1)VSS, or lack there of. How were you able to communicate with the air ride system to let it know to lower at freeway speeds, and/or raise around town?
2)speed sensitive power steering-again, how does the car know your speed?

3)traction assist-do you have it anymore, or did you ever? If so, how does it understand there is wheel spin? Typically most A/T cars use OSS, and VSS to calibrate. If the car isnt moving, but the rpms/output shaft indicate that it is(wheel spin), how did you combat that?
4) Rear differential-are you planning on beefing the center section/axles at all? I know a manual-equipped vehicle can be alot harder on the rear driveline components, so I was wondering what steps you plan to take to beef it up back there?


This is a cool set up. I personally would love to bang gears in a Lincoln, and it looks like you are doing a fantastic job on this project.

I know there have been a few others before you...do you know who they were, or have you consulted with them along the way?

Thanks for keeping us posted/updated on your progress.

When it is done, I personally would love to see/hear a nice video clip of your car chirping second gear, manually. I know a 280 HP(+?) motor can easily break the tires loose into second. I'd love to SEE the end results on video. Could you do that for us as well?




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93lincTue Jan-11-05 04:57 PM
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#9. "RE: 5speed swap update."
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Tue Jan-11-05 05:02 PM by 93linc

          

I did'nt know there have been others that have done this swap. I have only seen people taking about "Maybe" doing it. The rear suspension seems to be doing fine. I've ran a coupe clutch dumps on it, and everything sounded/seemed fine.



I'll definatly get you some video footage of the car in action. But will take some time to do.



Oh yea....The VSS, The T-45 has a VSS, But i'm having some problems figuring out what wires to switch out to get the speedo to work. I have the factory diagrams, but have'nt had the time to dig into it yet. The car does fine out on the interstate. I think that has something to do with the automatic leveling function once you load the car. It may not lower right now, but it still cruises fine. Like I said, I'll have this all figured out, I just have to get the time.

  

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newbieTue Jan-11-05 05:03 PM
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#10. "RE: 5speed swap update."
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A manual tranny could renew my love for my MK8

  

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BlackIceLSCTue Jan-11-05 07:12 PM
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#11. "RE: 5speed swap update."
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>A manual tranny could renew my love for my MK8

I didnt know you fell out of love...

I would love to slap the gears in these cars...but I have to tell you...after the drive I did last night...I am confident I made one of the best decisions ever with these cars. never before had I felt so secure with 4 people in a complete "rain out" type of storm...on some of the tightest, windiest roads I have ever driven...it was like moutain terrain...and the 97 LSC handled it like it was a sunday drive through the park.

I could see me driving my car to the middle of some square in the middle of Paris, getting out, and shouting "I love this car!"



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jeffnThu Jan-13-05 01:37 PM
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#12. "RE: 5speed swap update."
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Man, Mk8 meets my old 69 Goat...nice shifter knob.

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newbieThu Jan-13-05 04:09 PM
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#13. "RE: 5speed swap update."
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>>A manual tranny could renew my love for my MK8
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>I didnt know you fell out of love...
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>I would love to slap the gears in these cars...but I have to
>tell you...after the drive I did last night...I am confident I
>made one of the best decisions ever with these cars. never
>before had I felt so secure with 4 people in a complete "rain
>out" type of storm...on some of the tightest, windiest roads I
>have ever driven...it was like moutain terrain...and the 97
>LSC handled it like it was a sunday drive through the park.
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>I>
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>94 Mark VIII-SPRUNG/97 Mark VIII LSC
>Founder/President-Club 16
>see profile for mods.


Yep, she has had the old "for sale sign" in the window for a couple of months. Thinking about gears? I have the 4.30s and a 3000 stall, two of the best things I have ever done to a car.

  

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93lincSun Jan-23-05 01:15 AM
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Don't go selling your Mark.......I would be more than happy to help you out with the parts sourcing, and the work on putting a 5 speed in there.

  

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newbieMon Jan-24-05 11:08 AM
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Thanx for the offer, but I have access to just about everything I could want/need because I work at a speed shop(and I have one next to me and a 3rd across the street). The thing I need is $$$. I am in school and have 2 vehicles, 99 wrangler and the MK8. Both are paid off, but up-keep,tags,tires,insurance etc..is a bit much. Along with the desire to pay student loans off early(I HATE having bills) along with the "hotrod fever" for which there is no known cure. If I keep it, my money will go to it instead of paying stuff off early. I did drive it most of the weekend though, have come close to pulling the sign out of the window a couple of times....

  

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